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"What If?" Thread

Postby ThomasNewton12 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:42 pm

Inspired by this thread where Kris got a lot of question he didn't want to answer, this is a chance for the forum to explore their own ideas for Peter is the Wolf. Post your own scenario and write what you think would happen to the one posted before. Here's an example:

Scenario: "What if PitW took place in Canada?"

Response: "Werewolves have more forest for bigger Howls. Most of the storyline plays out the same, but Con is a Mountie instead of a sheriff and there are more "ehs". Peter losing his pants is a lot more uncomfortable in the cold; jokes are made. Filler art involving Jean and maple syrup happens."

Feel free to respond to more than one idea if you want, but please only post one at a time.

Here's one to kick us off:

"What if Peter is the Wolf was done by Rob Liefeld?"
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby Kaeto » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:21 pm

The readership promptly throws up and deletes any and all links to the comic.
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby Black_Mantha » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:59 am

I think you've got to think about what it would be like if it was that way from the beginning.

...well, all I can say about that is that someone has to be into that.
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby satorui » Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:34 pm

What if some mad scientist accidentally ripped open a portal to a world where Lycanthropes are the majority or least one where they never had to hide?
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Re: Character Reactions Thread

Postby bar1scorpio » Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:49 pm

Okay, fun with alternate universes time - Instead of the modern era, PitW is set in the Georgian/Revolutionary/Regency. Who, or what, are the characters now?

Look, It's not just Bloody Jack, Sharpe's War, Temeraire and Aubrey/Maturin. I've listened to the lengthy historical non-fiction book, The War for All the Oceans, From Nelson at the Nile to Napoleon at Waterloo; the even lengthier The History of Tom Jones, a Foundling; and the play She Stoops to Conquer (Via AudioBookSync.com check them out for the remainder of their summer program, if you hadn't heard of them already. Each week, free YA audiobook literature.) Dunno why, just kinda got that era on the brain.

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Re: Character Reactions Thread

Postby Kris@WLP » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:49 pm

bar1scorpio wrote:Okay, fun with alternate universes time - Instead of the modern era, PitW is set in the Georgian/Revolutionary/Regency. Who, or what, are the characters now?

Look, It's not just Bloody Jack, Sharpe's War, Temeraire and Aubrey/Maturin. I've listened to the lengthy historical non-fiction book, The War for All the Oceans, From Nelson at the Nile to Napoleon at Waterloo; the even lengthier The History of Tom Jones, a Foundling; and the play She Stoops to Conquer (Via AudioBookSync.com check them out for the remainder of their summer program, if you hadn't heard of them already. Each week, free YA audiobook literature.) Dunno why, just kinda got that era on the brain.

Changing names along the established Discworld conventions are acceptable.


Urgh. So, so, so, SO very, very different.

The story still has to be set in America, unless you want to delete Jean from existence completely. That means a War of 1812 setting, more or less, focusing on the Battle of Detroit (one of the more colossal blunders in a war filled with 'em).

THE STUBBES

Walt has dragged Peter along with him as part of a Pennsylvania militia regiment. Sally is back home and never appears- and thus is never around to counter Walt's stupidity. Walt is looking for easy money in war, counting on lycanthropic regeneration to keep him from getting killed.

THE GOODWINS

Jack Goodwin's family fled upstate New York in the Tory exodus after the end of the Revolution. He decided he would be a poet, and he left home at a relatively early age seeking inspiration. He went exploring in the forests on the other side of Lake Huron and was taken prisoner by an Ojibwa band that included a young woman with the Christian name of Carla White Tail. Carla claimed Goodwin as her servant, and then as her mate, and they have two daughters. None of them are happy about the rapidly increasing presence of American settlers in Michigan Territory.

THE CRAMERS

Gus enlisted in a regular regiment two years prior to the opening of hostilities. In that time he has risen to the post of sergeant. His badly understrength regiment (only about 250 men) has been sent to Fort Detroit as part of what is laughably called an army- and represents the only non-militia force the Americans have in the area. He has a young camp follower named Rebecca with him, but any soldier (or even officer) who has approached her for any reason whatever has turned up savaged by animals not long later. No one knows that the young woman with the shaved head is Gus's daughter...

THE HAZENS

Last but not least we have a civilian engineer, trying (and failing) to get some serious fortifications built at Fort Detroit. This is Arthur Hazen, son of a Revolutionary War colonel and a veteran of a couple of minor skirmishes himself. He's annoyed the settlers around Detroit with his demands, his paranoia, and his holier-than-thou attitude. His daughter Sarah hates the frontier with an absolute passion and wishes she could return to New York City, where all the latest dresses and books from Europe are readily available... and then she meets a grubby young militiaman who is the first person her age she's seen at Fort Detroit who's willing to speak with the daughter of the West Point Plague...

... and complications ensue.
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby bar1scorpio » Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:35 am

I do like how quickly Kris can spin a new story & circumstance out of the same plot and characters. One can already imagine a few of the jokes playing out.
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby bar1scorpio » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:58 pm

Peter is the Wolf is instead-a Musical. What are the titles of the ten core songs in the book?

look, they almost made a musical out of BatMan, and tried to make one out of SpiderMan. weirder stuff has happened.
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby Kris@WLP » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:32 pm

bar1scorpio wrote:Peter is the Wolf is instead-a Musical. What are the titles of the ten core songs in the book?


I can't speak to all the songs for the entire story, beginning to end.

BOOK ONE

The first song, which would get quite a few reprises and covers over the course of the story, would be "Kinda Lame Werewolf."

Followed up not long after by Peter and Jean explaining to Sarah, "Got a Little Gift."

Dr. Abe would get his Gilbert and Sullivan on with "A Simple Question of Lupine Biology."

Finally, Sarah expressing her doubts, fears and... other feelings... both before and after her parents show up, "Alone in the House."

BOOK TWO

Jean sings to Peter and Sarah of "The Facts of College Life."

Ashley leading the Muzzle Group in a musical scene, "Got a Problem With That?"

Butch's theme, "Gonna Make You.", which Carla will reprise at least once in inverted form, "Not Gonna Make You."

The Capture Squad theme, "We Punch a Clock."

Jean bringing her wacky scheme to cli... er, fruition, "Mine Now."

BOOK THREE (thus far)

Sarah's daydreaming, "Secretly Super."

The staff of Tiki Li Li (which will get a couple reprises, one of which hasn't happened yet in story), "No Such Thing as Bad Publicity."

Lee and Juniper, with bit parts by Feetlebaum and the other monster chasers, "Calling."
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby bar1scorpio » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:46 pm

Folks... That wad HALF an hour for him to come up with those, and half, like "No Such Thing As Bad Publicity" you can almost hum the tune by reading the title.
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby rdfox » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:01 am

Why do I expect that there would be a minisong (possibly used as part of "Got a Little Gift") that would sound suspiciously similar to Marvin Gaye's "Let's Get It On" for Sarah's flashback to her and Peter's first time together?

Also, I'm somehow imagining every single sex scene being done, to some degree, in the style of Grand Opera, where, as Anna Russell put it, "You can do ANYTHING, so long as you SING it." So yeah, full-on unsimulated sex scenes... with the participants singing about what they're feeling the whole time. (Now THAT'S acting! :D )

...now that I think of it, that could actually be *really* interesting, to be honest, with many different contrasting musical styles as moods change, intermeshing beautifully. (Imagine, for example, when Butch tries to rape Peter, how each would be singing something VERY different, with Peter's being fear and horror with a *hint* of arousal--she IS physically attractive, and he IS an 18-year-old male, so there would be an undertone there along with the shock, fear, horror, and helplessness--while Butch's would start as a combination of arousal and triumph that would then slide into shock and horror at what she's doing before she bails out. Doing this all in a single, cohesive duet that gets across the feelings? That's the sort of thing that a composer would consider a masterwork, right there!)

The one thing I'd say, though, is that you'd need to make sure that Sarahwuff doesn't have songs, per se, at least until she gets enough control to be able to start speaking (even a little) in wuff form, to avoid the sort of disconnect you get in Rocky Horror where Rocky is introduced with a great song ("Sword of Damocles"), but then never really speaks in any form but some grunts for the rest of the show. She might have music, but it'd have to be either instrumental, or just have wuff-noises as lyrics to make it less jarring that she doesn't speak in wuff mode for the majority of the show. (That said, having human-Sarah's actress follow Sarahwuff around and sing *her* thoughts, as a stage version of the "chibi-Sarah on the wuff's shoulder" trope, would be a way around that...)
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby Fionn the Otaku » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:37 pm

What if Peter is the Wolf took place in the old/wild west era?
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby Kris@WLP » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:31 pm

Fionn the Otaku wrote:What if Peter is the Wolf took place in the old/wild west era?


I already did a historically-accurate (mostly) setting for the War of 1812, so instead I'll go with the television-western version; think a three-way blend of Wild Wild West, Maverick, and The Incredible Hulk.

On the American frontier entire villages can be wiped out with no explanation or warning. Some call it Indian raids; others blame squabbles between land barons and individual settlers. The truth lies in the shadows: an ongoing war between lycanthropes and the tiny minority of humans who know they aren't a myth.

In this time and place, creating a thrall- turning a human into a werewolf- can bring a death sentence from both sides, as the werewolves try to prevent the hunters from learning anything from the new "recruit."

Peter Stubbe is on the run for his life. Wandering the West from Minnesota to Mexico, from Texas to Tacoma, he stays one step ahead of the hunters dogging his trail. With him rides his formerly human girlfriend, Sarah Hazen, who has a talent for losing control of her untamed, unstoppable wolf side at the worst possible time. Their only friend on the run is Jean White Tail, a half-Indian werewolf with a nose for trouble.

Pursuing our heroes are the werewolf hunters, either as individuals or a dangerous posse; Con Nero, the old mountain man werewolf with the unpleasant duty of hunting down the outlaw pair; Gus Cramer, who seeks to recruit a werewolf army to overthrow the United States, and thereafter the world; and Gus's mad daughter Becky, who wants Peter for her own purposes.

They travel from town to town, getting into one insane mix-up after another, often with the best of intentions at heart. Misunderstandings, brawls, nonsensical destruction, and a lot of ripped clothing ensue.
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby bar1scorpio » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:43 pm

Ah, but would Peter need a new nickname this time around? "The (something here) Kid" or the like.
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby Happygun » Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:47 pm

AH!!! Peter is the Wolf and Trigun crossover! Madness!
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby Fionn the Otaku » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:48 pm

Kris@WLP wrote:
Fionn the Otaku wrote:What if Peter is the Wolf took place in the old/wild west era?


I already did a historically-accurate (mostly) setting for the War of 1812, so instead I'll go with the television-western version; think a three-way blend of Wild Wild West, Maverick, and The Incredible Hulk.

On the American frontier entire villages can be wiped out with no explanation or warning. Some call it Indian raids; others blame squabbles between land barons and individual settlers. The truth lies in the shadows: an ongoing war between lycanthropes and the tiny minority of humans who know they aren't a myth.

*Snip*

They travel from town to town, getting into one insane mix-up after another, often with the best of intentions at heart. Misunderstandings, brawls, nonsensical destruction, and a lot of ripped clothing ensue.


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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby bar1scorpio » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:29 pm

Okay, time to throw another one at Kris. This time, the era is the mid- 1950s to early 1960s, and instead of the forested midwest, the location is beachside Cali.
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby Kris@WLP » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:43 am

bar1scorpio wrote:Okay, time to throw another one at Kris. This time, the era is the mid- 1950s to early 1960s, and instead of the forested midwest, the location is beachside Cali.


It would be really, really difficult to have the story at all in that setting. For one thing, Jean's parents, and therefore Jean, would be out of the picture entirely; the color line in southern California in the 1950s (and in many respects right up into the 1990s) was as sharp or even sharper than the color line here in the deep South. A white man who married an Indian woman anywhere south of Fresno might get work in the movies, but he certainly wouldn't get on the editorial board of any newspaper. Class differences were, and are, nearly as sharp, which means Peter and Sarah even meeting would require a minor miracle.

In the setting given, at the time given, there's an excellent chance Gus would have beaten Con for election as sheriff.

So sorry, but no story ideas pop to mind for that setting. The best I could do would be to make it a Disney live-action movie of some sort, with Annette Funicello playing the role of a whitebread Jean. And quite frankly, that last sentence provides all the description and detail required or desired for the story.
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby bar1scorpio » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:33 am

i was thinking of the Frankie & Annette, "Beach Blanket Bingo" (and it's many imitators, like Horror of Party Beach & Catalina Caper, as seen on MST3K) style fare of that era. But as long as there's surf, sun & vacationers, Hawaii could work just as well. Of course, that period in Hawaii would mean Sarah would be critically susceptible to mere mention of a He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. Her and many other shrieking girls. A He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named who's fond of peanut butter & banana sandwiches. Uh-huh-huh.
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby Les » Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:56 am

What If....?


The story takes place in India, about 1939-1944. Carla Goodwin is now Indian-indian rather than Native-American, and a Were-Tiger, all other cast-members have their ancestry and were-species suitably adjusted to make plausible a long-term living condition in India during this time period.

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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby Kris@WLP » Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:34 pm

Les wrote:What If....?

The story takes place in India, about 1939-1944. Carla Goodwin is now Indian-indian rather than Native-American, and a Were-Tiger, all other cast-members have their ancestry and were-species suitably adjusted to make plausible a long-term living condition in India during this time period.

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World War II.

Seriously, I know just barely enough about Indian history to know that the twilight of the Raj was a dangerous and volatile time to live in that country. You have multiple fronts, ranging from Ghandi's peaceful political movement to overt terrorist and guerilla organizations, all seeking the overthrow of British rule... and then there are the Japanese, who actually managed to cross the Indian border, briefly, in 1944. Add to that the masses of people living in abject poverty, with the caste system still influencing lives (mostly for the worse), and you have a truly miserable place to live, even if you're among the British expatriates essentially running the country for the benefit of British interests.

I do NOT know enough about Indian culture, history, or geography to make any kind of credible attempt to transplant the PitW cast into such a setting, so I can't go any further. For similar reasons, I ask that "what if the gang were from X country?" suggestions be withheld.
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby bar1scorpio » Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:42 pm

Now, you send that a century back, and we could, at least use Flashman and the Mountain of Lightas a point of reference.
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby Les » Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:24 pm

Okay then.

What If the comic takes place in 1985? :D
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby Kris@WLP » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:51 pm

Les wrote:Okay then.

What If the comic takes place in 1985? :D


No major changes aside from fashion, at least that I can think of offhand. Jean would find her life maybe a little bit harder, but not much if at all. Certain readers would find "Parkie"'s luck regarding cameras up until the Tiki-Li-Li incident a scoche more credible. Can't think of anything else offhand.
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Re: "What If?" Thread

Postby cawsking555 » Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:29 pm

OK a what if thread
what if ther was a animated tv show called "the big breasted werewolf" showing on Saturday morning cartoons wold the cast watch it
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