Book 2... I just don't know what to do now.

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Book 2... I just don't know what to do now.

Postby Kris@WLP » Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:52 pm

As has been mentioned before, one of the issues that led to my seeking a new artist for Peter is the Wolf was that Ben's political views and mine had diverged to the point where we were barely speaking to one another. I have not gone into details in public, and I have tried my best to focus on fulfilling obligations on Book 2, getting Book 3 into print, and advancing the PitW project.

Yesterday Charlottesville happened.

The fact that thousands of neo-Nazis, Klansmen, and right-wing militia members took over a town and terrorized its inhabitants, chanting actual World War era Nazi slogans and generally doing what you'd expect of Nazis, was bad enough, but the day was capped when one of the protesters spotted a peaceful counter-protest march, got in his car, and deliberately plowed into a mass of human beings at a speed fast enough to rip the front bumper off his car.

One dead, nineteen seriously injured at the last report I saw.

I have made no secret whatever of my personal opinion- that this whole episode constituted terrorism, and that the car attack was a terrorist killing.

Today I found out that Ben's first reaction was to blame the victims and defend the driver, by pointing out that the counter-march wasn't permitted and was blocking traffic. As if, in any way, this justifies a deliberate attempt to injure and kill, as all witnesses agree this was.

That's too much for me to ignore. And it's too much for me to ask you to ignore. So I posted a screencap of his public Twitter post to my Facebook and said there, as I do now, that his opinions are definitely not mine, and I find the opinion he's expressed both evil and sickening. And so I post this, here, now.

I still want to put Book 2 in your hands. I still want there to be a Book 3. I don't believe that Ben's artwork in any way reflects his uglier opinions.

But Ben has dragged his feet about putting the print-quality files needed for printing, or for handing off to a colorist for those pages which aren't yet completed, for months now, and after this I have no idea if they will ever be handed over.

I don't know what else to do at this point; I only know I couldn't stay silent about this anymore.
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Re: Book 2... I just don't know what to do now.

Postby Happygun » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:34 pm

...Ben defended the driver? It wouldn't matter if he were a neo-nazi plowing through counter-protesters or a counter-protester plowing into neo-nazis. You just don't do that. What the serious fuck, Ben?

I'm sorely tempted to post the above question on his dA and/or other accounts, but shit-stirring rarely helps in matters like this, so I won't.
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Re: Book 2... I just don't know what to do now.

Postby Kris@WLP » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:46 pm

Happygun wrote:...Ben defended the driver? It wouldn't matter if he were a neo-nazi plowing through counter-protesters or a counter-protester plowing into neo-nazis. You just don't do that. What the serious fuck, Ben?

I'm sorely tempted to post the above question on his dA and/or other accounts, but shit-stirring rarely helps in matters like this, so I won't.


That question wouldn't do any good.

But if you want to ask, "When are you going to hand over the artwork, as it exists, to Kris so he can get to work on getting Books 2 and 3 printed?" maybe that WOULD help. I honestly don't know what else would at this point.
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Re: Book 2... I just don't know what to do now.

Postby Happygun » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:06 pm

Kris@WLP wrote:
Happygun wrote:...Ben defended the driver? It wouldn't matter if he were a neo-nazi plowing through counter-protesters or a counter-protester plowing into neo-nazis. You just don't do that. What the serious fuck, Ben?

I'm sorely tempted to post the above question on his dA and/or other accounts, but shit-stirring rarely helps in matters like this, so I won't.


That question wouldn't do any good.

But if you want to ask, "When are you going to hand over the artwork, as it exists, to Kris so he can get to work on getting Books 2 and 3 printed?" maybe that WOULD help. I honestly don't know what else would at this point.

I might, but I would wait a few weeks until this shitstorm dies down.

...More to the point, I don't think I can enjoy his art any longer now that I know this. If I understand you correctly Ben is defending/justifying flagrant homicide. Yes, one should be able to appreciate a piece of art even if you don't agree with the artist's beliefs (otherwise I wouldn't be able to read H.P. Lovecraft) but...Jesus, there are limits. It taints the work. It's hard to imagine the guy behind all those goofy jokes and drawings is capable of this.

A while back I stopped following a webcomic (going as far as deleting my history and Google suggestions so I wouldn't accidentally click on the URL again) because of the author's extreme political leanings (and because the artists he works with are overly defensive and sensitive to criticism - a pet peeve of mine) and I feel I may have to do so again.
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Re: Book 2... I just don't know what to do now.

Postby Kris@WLP » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:46 pm

Happygun wrote:...More to the point, I don't think I can enjoy his art any longer now that I know this. If I understand you correctly Ben is defending/justifying flagrant homicide. Yes, one should be able to appreciate a piece of art even if you don't agree with the artist's beliefs (otherwise I wouldn't be able to read H.P. Lovecraft) but...Jesus, there are limits. It taints the work. It's hard to imagine the guy behind all those goofy jokes and drawings is capable of this.


Draw your own conclusions. I posted a screen-cap of the tweet in question to the PitW Facebook group. It's possible, as Ben himself claims, that I'm misreading his statement.

And I understand if this spoils the enjoyment of the past comic for you, but I hope the current story with the new artist keeps you on.
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Re: Book 2... I just don't know what to do now.

Postby Happygun » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:22 pm

Kris@WLP wrote:
Happygun wrote:...More to the point, I don't think I can enjoy his art any longer now that I know this. If I understand you correctly Ben is defending/justifying flagrant homicide. Yes, one should be able to appreciate a piece of art even if you don't agree with the artist's beliefs (otherwise I wouldn't be able to read H.P. Lovecraft) but...Jesus, there are limits. It taints the work. It's hard to imagine the guy behind all those goofy jokes and drawings is capable of this.


Draw your own conclusions. I posted a screen-cap of the tweet in question to the PitW Facebook group. It's possible, as Ben himself claims, that I'm misreading his statement.

And I understand if this spoils the enjoyment of the past comic for you, but I hope the current story with the new artist keeps you on.

Not seeing the photo. Then again, I don't have a Facebook account and have no intention of ever making one so it could be hidden from me.
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Re: Book 2... I just don't know what to do now.

Postby ClockTickRobot » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:04 pm

i'm a little late to say anything about this I suppose, but i have to say i'm not totally surprised. About a year ago while looking for Bar1's personal site I stumbled on his Twitter, which was filled with almost entirely links to various election-related conspiracy theories. So this is maybe not all that shocking to me.

All that said, I'm glad you made a post about this, these days its really difficult to tell where some people stand on political insanity and its especially hard if they don't talk politics very often. So, thanks for making your opinion known, even if it took something pretty horrible to push you to that.

Good luck with Book 2. The readership may be down and the previous artist may have gone insane, but you've still got an audience. Hang in there, just because some poeople don't post on the forum doesn't mean we aren't still reading!

PS, good luck sticking out the aftermath of Harvey, too
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Re: Book 2... I just don't know what to do now.

Postby Kris@WLP » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:05 am

ClockTickRobot wrote:All that said, I'm glad you made a post about this, these days its really difficult to tell where some people stand on political insanity and its especially hard if they don't talk politics very often. So, thanks for making your opinion known, even if it took something pretty horrible to push you to that.


Oh, on my personal Facebook and Twitter I make no frickin' secret whatever about my own political viewpoints. But this is a story, and most people prefer to enjoy their stories without political crap, even when it's politics they agree with. I try to keep my politics out of Peter is the Wolf itself.
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