WierdWolves

[bar1scorpio]

So, this is where we're gonna just put all our odd bemusings on werewolves. The kinda bizarre "what ifs" and what not that probably won't be covered in the actual Peter is the Wolf story.

And for starters-

What would happen if a Zombie bit a Werewolf? (watching Shaun of the Dead right now, so this kinda occured to me) You get a person who then turns into a mutant zombie-wolf, or would the werewolf's healing ability keep them from turning into a zombie at all?

[Catherine_Puce]

Personnatly, I think that their healing factor is strong enough to protect them from that horrible fate. You easily notice that the person with a weak health are transformed in zombie sooner. If someone with a good health can resist some time to the zombification, someone with a hyper health system with defeat the illness.

Now, what if the capture squad success to capture and study a werewolf? Does they will sell werewolf fluid to heal the person rich and deseparate enough to accept to become a thrall just for heal of their sickness?

Je pense que oui.

S.P.P.

[Crunch Jackson]

I say you get a zombie-wolf, just because it would be scary and look cool.

[ProphetTenebrae]

In Vampire: Masquerade Bloodlines, you can do a side-quest to help out a Vampire called Romero ("oloz) with a zombie problem. He suggests you don't get bitten by the zombies and your character can say.

"Why - will I become a zombie?"

"No, it hurts like hell."

This, I believe, would be true of a werewolf.

[LoganB]

Thw wolf would die and become a zombie. Duno if it wold affect their wolf form or if they'd lose it but they wouldn't live very long.

[Kris@WLP]

First: no zombies, at least not in the walking-dead sense. Drugged, hypnotized or just plain fooled slaves, maybe, but not zombies.

Second, if PitW -were- a Romero-type movie, zombie bites would not turn werewolves into zombies. It's possible, though, that -werewolf- bites would turn dead, half-decayed, mindless zombies into living, whole, mindless werewolves...

... not that it would matter, because in a Romero movie BOTH zombies AND werewolves would be gobbling up every living human they could find.

Mmm, crunchy.

[K-MacK]

Possibly, just possibly, the Zombie would turn into a WereWolf...a dead,
smelly, decaying Werewolf with NO Social Life.....

[MitchellTF]

I'd say a werewolf biting a zombie wouldn't work, since the Zombie is dead. He has no immune system, blood flow, etc.

Zombie biting a werewolf would possibly create a zombie werewolf, if their healing factor isn't strong enough.

Ditto with Vampire/Werewolf.

Though it does remind me of a fun character from a fanfic. He's a monster slayer, and it is said that he drinks only the blood of his enemies. Everyone fears him.

"He doesn't sound SO bad..."
"He kills werewolves, and vampires."
"Oh...OH!"

[ProphetTenebrae]

Why is it vampires are always at odds with werewolves? What's up with that?

[CK01]

Well, both are generally represented as the "ultimate" predator, so if they existed in the world together.... well... there can be only one I guess.

It's been noted elsewhere that this conflict is purely a modern invention, historical myth not following this at all.

[Kris@WLP]

Two points on this.

First, myths very seldom have monsters encountering one another at all- only monsters v. humans or humans v. humans.

Second, in pre-Christian Europe skin-changers (lycanthropes of various types) were regarded mainly as holy men or the servants of gods. Only in the wake of Christianity did they become evil madmen. (There's also no mention whatever of female skin-changers, at least that I can find.)

[Crunch Jackson]

I went digging through my books on the subject, and I haven't found any pre-Christian European references to female werewolves either, though Adam Douglas' highly recommended (but sadly, out-of-print) "The Beast Within" notes that the earliest man-to-animal transformations in mythology were caused by women...

[Kris@WLP]

Yeah, how about that crazy Circe, hm? }:-{D

[ProphetTenebrae]

Good old Pagans.

It wouldn't surprise me if the women weren't the centre of attention for these kind of rituals. Europe around that time wasn't exactly equal rights.

I'm sure I remember from my schoolboy days of Latin - references to werewolves back then... Ah yes, glancing over at Wiki it seems that Pliny referenced someone being cursed with the form of the wolf for 9 years.

It also mentions that there is an Amernian legend concerning women becoming wolves. All rather fascinating, really.



And yes Kris - pretty uncommon for myths to include vs. Presumably because back in the old days, fanboy numbers were kept in check by plagues and what not.

[bar1scorpio]

Okay, so Fire, Old Age, Silver, and other werewolves can kill werewolves....

...but.....

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[K-MacK]

Prophet Tenebrae Comments about American Mythos where women could become wolves.
In the old Irish "Tain Bo Cuailnge(?)", or "The Cattle Raid of Cooley", which is an epic where the Irish-Celtic hero "CuChullan" makes a hash of the invading forces under Queen Medebh (Maeve) there are a couple of passages about the death of an entire Clan...of Were-Wolves. They were on the "Good side"... ie; with CuChullan fighting the Invading forces from Connacht. Sadly, they were"All Slain" by Maeve's forces. This is one of the odd incidents where Were-Wolves were allied with Human Smoothskins. So, there is a Lot of backstory about Were-Wolf/Smoothskin relations; some friendly, some not. Naturally, Hollywood concentrated on the unfriendly stuff (sells movies).
It seems though, wherever there were Wolves, Were-Wolf tales came up.
Grudging admiration for a species that seemed smarter than the Humans?
(Irish References from The Tain, by Thomas Kinsella)[Oxford Press]

[bar1scorpio]

[K-MacK]

[Zhanael]

[Kris@WLP]

Haven't tried the Anita Blake books yet, but the blurbs I read on them at Amazon do not encourage me. They sound too much like depressing angsty crap- the publishers may think that's the only way were-vamp stuff will sell.

[Zhanael]

[CK01]

The earlier books were okay, but later has degerated into author/main character degenerate sex with monster and not much else besides...

[K-MacK]

It's really sad to note that in the "Fantasy" books today, what seems to sell isn't action, or good characterization, or realistic plots, or anything that would make them more than "genre'" books. What sells is Angst, Sex, and general desperation, saved unrealistically at the last moment; then back to angst.
Doesn't say much for our so-called "Normal" society, does it?
Fantasy is where healthy minds play, and where unhappy minds hide-out.
I suppose "Kinky" (to use the broadest possible sweep of the term) sex provides a sort of relief from the sad fact that this Planet we're living on is literally going to hell, and we are the ones at the Tiller. You can't get one of the now untreatable STD's from Fantasy sex, no matter how weird, and the angst that seems to be the norm for so many makes for at least a sort of Familiar world to set these stories into.
That's one reason why I enjoy PITW...the biggest problem there seems to be how long Peter is going to be Grounded for making a new Were-" who just happens to be ten-to-twelve feet tall. At least he has Sarah. There is hope. Unlike so many "Fantasy " books......

[Zhanael]

[Kris@WLP]

There are no legends of wereplatypi or wereinsects, at least none that predate the creation of Dungeons & Dragons.